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 Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 08:50 PM
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joeproctor wrote:
scooby i have had many a good discussion with you about tractors ,we have agreed on lots of occasions,yes i deal/play with tractors and talk bullshit sometimes to wind others but when i'm serious i'll stand firm. you are ONLY a db man and other breeds dont matter i'm a tractor man the 5000 stands firm there are other companies like ROADLESS,COUNTY,MUIRHILL,DOE and others that will disagree with what your saying about this tractor etc. etc. etc.
You are right Joe, we've had some good debates about various issues but to debate properly you have to listen and you are not. I am not ONLY a DB man. I spent quite a few years with MF and Ford. I have owned MFs of one sort and another for 40 years and they have been working tractors. But we are concerned here with the 6X 5000. Joe, it was a limp lump. In the same way that the 68hp 1200 was. And don't even begin to compare the 6X with ROADLESS,COUNTY,MUIRHILL,DOE. That's just pain silly.
But the 6X morphed into the 6Y in the same way that the 68hp 1200 morphed into the 72hp wich in turn developed into the 1210 and 1212. Both very good tractors. I know Joe, I bought enough of them and I also used to get MFs out of Field Test and each had good and bad points but I only went to an MF when I wanted a decent engined 4wd when DB didn't make one.
I have never owned a 3 pot DB until recently. Want to know why ? Because the little tractors didn't have a place in a contracting business. You constantly sing the praises about the 880 and while I have been convinced they were a good sound little tractor apart from a bit of periodic light work I wouldn't have been able to find enough work for one.
Of course you would like a field full of 5000s. I would like a field full of Nuffield Brays for the same reason. i.e. So that I could sell them on to someone who thought they were valuable. But work with them ???? No thank you.
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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 09:02 PM
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| I drove a 6Y 5000 for a while and must say the Ford constant mesh box was light year's ahead of the DB sliding spur box of the time, even when DB put a synchro on second and third gear they tried to tell people it had synchromesh on eight gear's (2 gear's in my book), Oh and by the way did David Brown ever admit they had a problem with cracking block's. |
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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 09:46 PM
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| you cant blame david Brown for the blocks cracking ,thats down to tight fisted farmers not wanting to shell out on anti-freeze,we ran DB for yrs and never had one crack a block,if they are run with anti-freeze they wont give you a problem.Anywa i best tell a little more about the 6600 it used to breath bad so the owner had the engine re-built,after only two runs up the field u could not believe the smoke from the breather again and this time it was popping back through the air filter,and when i pulled out the dip stick she was sprayin me we oil,they mite have a better cab than the old 996 but the engine comes no where near as good as a David Brown engine. |
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Post subject: db vs ford
Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 09:52 PM
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| Im a david brown man i love collecting them but my dads got a super dexta. and a ford 4600 4wd q cab its a lovely we tractor. he was always db thats where i got the bug from we ran dbs then case ih. but my dads taken a soft spot for he old fords and to be honest the fords cab is a nice place to be. |
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Post subject: RE: db vs ford
Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 10:48 PM
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| if i put my money into a safe boring tractor i would have a 7810 ford, 2850 deere 956 ih, but im a db man always have been nd bloody proud of it, i get the ribbing from plenty of my mates because of it but its only cos they hve never had much to do with them, give them half hour in the 15 and everyone who drives it loves it! |
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Posted: Mar 10, 2010 - 11:02 PM
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TEZB wrote:
even when DB put a synchro on second and third gear they tried to tell people it had synchromesh on eight gear's (2 gear's in my book).
You are right but yet so wrong 
2 gears have syncro within 4 ranges, giving 8 syncro gears!
P.S Both Scooby and Me Are only saying that the 5000 6x is a sluggish tractor. All other fords got nothing to do with it!
I am not comenting on make vs make, Since its like comparing a pig with a cow Both have their positive points But at the end of the day They are different animals doing the same job! |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 07:58 AM
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i come up with a solution,its like playground stuff,'mines better than yours' 'no its not mines better',
now we all have opinions and can be miles apart.what i cant understand is you keep saying the first 5000's were sluggish,what are you compareing it with a 'vulcan bomber 'this was no way a sluggish tractor,the selectospeed was a crap rig but every thing else was the business we had three on our farm 67-8 69 and a 70 all working together nothing sluggish about them we had a new 4000 in about 69 and sent it back wouldn't pull a 'hen off the nest!the college farm next door had a range of demo tractors from international,fergie ,nuffield,and settled with ford these 5000's never had the same driver for more than a week ,i spoke to my main agent here in goole the forman said we had record sales for the 5000 and the fitters did very little sevicing except that the selecospeed was rubbish and the pourous blocks,i asked if anyone complained about them being sluggish he said 'there was nothing to touch it in 1970!
we all have our opinions ,but the facts remain!unless you are compareing it to a more modern tractor!
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 09:14 AM
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Not sure why you don't take any notice of what you read Joe. No one has said anything derogatory about the 6Y. It's the 6X that was the problem. You say that you had 3 of them at home. Well the '69 & '70 would have been 6Y, probably the 67-68 as well.
Why prattle on about what your friend said about nothing to touch them in 1970. He could well be right. 6X had been dead for a few years by then.
Take notice of what you read Joe. I always press the quote button instead of the reply, that way you can refer back to what the previous poster has written and respond accordingly. Then there's no need to go wittering on about "mine's bigger than yours", "Vulcan bomber" Totally irrelevant Joe. Debating is good fun but stay on track please.
But I bet we can agree about one thing. All those tractors at Smithfield in 1965 were a sight to behold. The Ford 1000 range and the MF 100 series, all inroduced at the same time. I was there and suddenly we had gone from Majors & Dextas, 65s & 35s, to something that resembled big American tractors.
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 10:31 AM
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It may seem odd - I have only worked two or three DB's on a regular basis while workign on farms. I worked on samller, mainly dairy, farms and used many 3-pot MF's (and others to 595) and all sorts of Fordsons and Fords (though mainly 2000 - 4000, with an odd 56/66 thrown in). OK, I worked for a DB agent, but the 990s I drove always impressed me, so that's why I am a DB fan.
Anyone I knew who had a 6X 5000 said they are poor (as do the tractor magazines) and the 6Y is always highly regarded (much as Scooby says!).
As for 3-pots not being useful for contracting, one year my friend/boss's IH 440 baler packed up (it was serviced by the IH agents in the winter as usual!) and we rang the local contractor. He was mowing (with a 1212), so sent his "assistant", a retired farmer with a 780. With their 440 baler and our flat 8 accumulator, the 780 baled just as well as the MF 565 and 440 baler! There's a friend of mine who prefers his 35X to his 4000 for baling! |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 12:35 PM
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 05:48 PM
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| Before we had our own baler our neighbor used to do our baling with a red 4 cyl 880 and NH 276 baler with a sledge on, nothing unusual there but they drove it on 1000 pto speed at only 1200 engine rpm it had no prob's pulling it |
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Post subject: db 996 and ford
Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 06:46 PM
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| Not going to get into this post to much after reading the others, but my father always would have picked the db 880 over most for baling, not sure as this was his personal favourite, but always said she was the handiest and best for baling with cause of the great 3 pot engine that couldnt be killed at that time and still uses her every year since, but everyone to their own. |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 07:51 PM
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scooby i never mentioned x y or z just called it the 5000 are you still telling me the my 5000 's were crap then or we playing in the next field ,
the 5000 whether it be x or y didnt have a competitor it was leading the market,where the hell you get 'gutless' and could be bettered by a 'good driver on a 4000'i dont know .scooby you regard the 1210 and 1212's that were derived from the 1200 as a good tractor.you would not have seen them working hard in thr fields near me(nor a 6 pot another story)it was dominated by fords,fords and bloody fords!
why is that joe you may ask,the answer is because they could stand it,
yes they had pourous blocks (most was done under warranty) but they didnt suffer from gearboxes,reductions,rods out o side,hydraulics that couldn't stand a bit of ************,they are sloggers not gutless wonders,
sorry i'm not so jeeed up on the pc as others ,.
yes your right i will agree about the 60's new products on show. this would have been the high light of british engineering at its best,but sadly it is now over!
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 08:44 PM
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joeproctor wrote:
scooby i never mentioned x y or z just called it the 5000 are you still telling me the my 5000 's were crap then or we playing in the next field ,
the 5000 whether it be x or y didnt have a competitor it was leading the market,where the hell you get 'gutless' and could be bettered by a 'good driver on a 4000'i dont know .scooby you regard the 1210 and 1212's that were derived from the 1200 as a good tractor.you would not have seen them working hard in thr fields near me(nor a 6 pot another story)it was dominated by fords,fords and bloody fords!
why is that joe you may ask,the answer is because they could stand it,
yes they had pourous blocks (most was done under warranty) but they didnt suffer from gearboxes,reductions,rods out o side,hydraulics that couldn't stand a bit of ************,they are sloggers not gutless wonders,
sorry i'm not so jeeed up on the pc as others ,.
yes your right i will agree about the 60's new products on show. this would have been the high light of british engineering at its best,but sadly it is now over!
regards
joe
Ye Gods Joe, you just won't read and digest will you ? I have never "told you that the 5000 was crap" Where did I write that ? Go back and read the posts man. What I, and others have said, is that the 6X was nothing like the 6Y. The 6X was a lifeless lump. The 6Y wasn't. Have you got that ? I never mentioned anything about "and could be bettered by a 'good driver on a 4000" I didn't write that Joe. Go and have a look.
The 1210 and 1212 was a good tractor. They were the mainstay of my contracting business for a few years until I went to an MF and I only did that because I wanted a big 4wd. Perhaps if I had someone like you to tell me at the time what a crap tractor the 1210/1212 was I might have been more successful !!!!
There were more Fords and MF about than DBs in my area for a variety of reasons. People could still remember the poor Implematic hydraulics, most of the firms/co-operatives that got the DB distributorships were slow lumbering concerns (Burgess, MSF, etc) not the vibrant "new kids on the block" kind of dealer. And to a degree DB were victims of their own fine engineering after the Selectamatics came out. When these hydraulics were introduced there was nothing else to touch them. But they work to very fine tolerances and people just couldn't be bothered to keep everything clean and so they would get problems.
In nearly 40 years of contracting and farming the worst things that happened to any of my DBs was :
I did have a three stick 12 speed 990 gearbox that caused quite a bit of grief and it was re-built three times, the last time when the tractor was three years old but all under warranty. That was a bad box and DB knew it.
I have never needed to replace a valve chest but have had valves out plenty of times and polished them up a bit.
I have had two reductions let go (heard plenty of MF with the same problem)
And the only time I had to dive into a Hydra-Shift was to replace hardened seals. Of course I've had to tighten bands a few times.
And a re-bore and o/s pistons after a ring tried to escape on a 1212 when she had done 8000 hours.
And recently a ram twisted inside the lift cylinder of my remaining 6 pot.
I can live with that. And please don't accuse me of writing things that I haven't. |
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Posted: Mar 11, 2010 - 09:12 PM
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`...and in the blue corner...` - time out and chill out guys!!!.
Pity about the comment about 6X though - damn fine pint of real beer made by Wadsworths in Devizes, suppose I`ll have to resort to Tetleys now?.
Meltham museum open in a week and a half, think we all need a good hug around a DB - or even a Ford for that matter!!
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