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Post subject: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
 Posted: 13.06.2012, 09:18
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Post subject: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 13.06.2012, 19:45
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Is this the same WHO that was against heritage seeds in favour of GM and terminator seeds? Wouldn't trust them to be frank! Read the article, it's getting as bad as California where everything causes cancer...
Face it, if contaminants in the food supply causes cancer, sunlight causes cancer, sun screen causes cancer, fallout from nuc weapons tests in the 50s etc, fallout from Chernobyl and Fukushima causes cancer, backscatter scanners (in airports) cause cancer, what extra harm is a bit of particulate from diesel engines going to do?
Just be sensible, don't stick your lips on the silencer of your tractor and don't run infernal combustion engines in poorly ventilated areas! |
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Post subject: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 13.06.2012, 20:07
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I saw this on teletext and it mentioned the test group included miners and wagon drivers (and some other group) because they were "high risk" occupations. I just wonder how wagons get through the test if they let exhaust fumes into the cabs? I'd have thought householders and their families near a heavily used road would have been the most obvious people to test for cancers.
As our neighbour (ex-BP) says, it gives George Osbourne (I gather he's the Chancellor of the Exchequer!) a good reason to increase duty on diesel doesn't it?! |
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dj
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Post subject: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 13.06.2012, 20:45
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"if contaminants in the food supply causes cancer, sunlight causes cancer, sun screen causes cancer, fallout from nuc weapons tests in the 50s etc, fallout from Chernobyl and Fukushima causes cancer, backscatter scanners (in airports) cause cancer, what extra harm is a bit of particulate from diesel engines going to do?"
Don't know yet. The data will shortly be published in The Lancet Oncology to which I don't have a subscription.
The answer I suspect will be a positive number greater than zero.
Although this study purportedly confirms a definite positive correlation in workers classified as "high risk", similar studies in the past on other carcinogens tend to confirm a similar, although lower correlation in the population at large who may be exposed at lower concentrations.
I think it's human nature to initially dismiss media health scares if they either are at odds with instinct, or adversely publicise an activity we would like to think of as being harmless. It's the old "Uncle Alfie Syndrome".
We all know (we do... don't we?) that cigarette smoking on average shortens your lifespan significantly, yet most people know a friend of a friend who has an "Uncle Alfie", who lived to be 96 and smoked cigarettes every day since he was 5.
For now, lets note the preliminary findings, which are interesting and unlikely to be grossly incorrect, and minimise any unnecessary exposure. |
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Post subject: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 13.06.2012, 23:47
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dj, I have a background in Chemistry & Physics and my wife has a background in Biochemistry - I am not unaware of health risks regarding particulates in diesel exhaust - I was aware of the potential carcinogenic properties some fifteen years or more ago! For this to come out only now is highly suspicious. There's going to be an increase in cancer from the (ongoing) situation at Fukushima amongst other things so this appears to be a good "cover".
However, I have to ask, do you use artificial sweeteners? Huge health risks - especially regarding nerve degradation if used regularly and in quantity. Think that commercial pharmaceuticals are safe? All the pesticides used these days? Oh and re. the smoking - it's the chemicals in the fags that didn't use to be in them that are causing bigger health risks than the tobacco 
You have to take educated and calculated risks If one is dumb enough to stick one's nose up to a diesel exhaust (or one from a petrol engine etc) then more fool you! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 13.06.2012, 23:49
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John_Allen wrote: I saw this on teletext and it mentioned the test group included miners and wagon drivers (and some other group) because they were "high risk" occupations. I just wonder how wagons get through the test if they let exhaust fumes into the cabs? I'd have thought householders and their families near a heavily used road would have been the most obvious people to test for cancers.
As our neighbour (ex-BP) says, it gives George Osbourne (I gather he's the Chancellor of the Exchequer!) a good reason to increase duty on diesel doesn't it?!
Precisely, as people switch to diesel for greater fuel economy, tax revenue decreases... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 14.06.2012, 06:40
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I'm most concerned about Legionaires Disease breeding in the washer bottles of my motors. So I put them all in the dish washer and I'm taking Asprin twice a a day with Factor 30 on my cornflakes.
But I just love the smell of diesel fumes in morning!
Two strokes on Red Ex is gorgeous.
Jag XKs on 5 Star leaded is sweet.
But theres no chemicles on my spuds . |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Diesel Exhaust Fumes
Posted: 14.06.2012, 07:00
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| Hi, Nuffield owners have the added risk of becoming BMC positive! |
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